I wanted to highlight a couple interesting comments below from the project’s Github issues tab. And reaperx7’s post made me chuckle, as GNOME is one of the worst DE environments. And this whole X11Libre fork has been interesting in that so many tech reporters are throwing shade towards the project’s leader and the fork. And even though they keep reiterating that it’s a project run by a single guy, already there have been multiple people submitting patches, merges and closing issues. Consequently, I think there are two reasons for the slanted coverage, the reporters are virtue signaling and all for social justice, DEI and sexual depravity, and/or they’re too sympathetic to Red Hat (IBM). And it goes much deeper, as many projects in the free software, opensource community have had their foundation boards co-opted with donation money with required board seats, but the free software community hits a point where they fight back, fork projects, and move on.
Beyond these corporate corrupted projects losing talented volunteer programmers, they’re tanking the morale of those they still have on payroll who remain, and some won’t remain. Consequently, I used to write a lot of time saving macros for AT&T, and at one point using one in my spare time helping another team, I was completing more of their work than any full time member of that team. I shared what I had done with my supervisor who was over the other team as well, but he didn’t do anything with it other than hold a meeting where he scolded the team while bringing up my name (that made me popular). Consequently, I came to believe God wasn’t really involved in my terrible megacorp operation, and I started to back off trying to be so helpful. The rest of the employees had long lost morale after the many layoffs we went through, and eventually there was no point remaining with that organization as it seemed even God didn’t seem to care (judgement?). And what’s interesting with megacorps, is their executive team goes so overboard trying to hype up the workforce to go the extra mile to cover over their many sins in leading the organization, with their decisions leading to the very defects and poor customer experiences they’re trying to get employees to bend over backwards to fix. They’re just dysfunctional, as upper management is just about numbers while paying lip service to customer service, limiting defects… So about all you can do is try to avoid them, and in free software and opensource, you still can.
And a side note, with Google and Microsoft saying that 30% or so of their code is AI generated, do you want to be running that trash on your computers?
Will X11Libre support KDE and GNOME, given their shift to Wayland? #145
on Jun 14, 2025 · edited by mSparks43
gnome 48 on debian 14 is good for the next 10 years. I expect gnome will revert back before then, especially if xlibre DEs make their half arsed wayland effort obsolete.
KDE X11 support is pretty much guaranteed for the foreseeable future, there is a group of enthusiasts maintaining kwin_x11 as a separate project.
So the simple answer to this question is yes. regardless of the spam the internet connected dishwashers splatter everywhere.
You may however have to avoid certain distros (e.g. FC43) to keep a fully functioning desktop.
Considering GNOME is a FreeDesktops, Red Hat, and IBM venture any more, it’s not surprising. Honestly, their DE is one of the absolute worst I’ve seen and used.
KDE might be a lost cause.
Xfce from what I can tell, has no plans to nuke X11 support any time soon, especially since they exist on the BSDs in a huge capacity. They tend to be the stalwart bunch who keep stuff as compatible as possible.
Trinity doesn’t seen to have wayland support ready at any level.
Cinnamon seems to still be testing wayland.
As far as others go, it remains to be seen. Lumina seems to have stalled, LXQT is just there…