{"id":7220,"date":"2024-05-07T15:47:41","date_gmt":"2024-05-07T22:47:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/?p=7220"},"modified":"2024-05-07T15:47:41","modified_gmt":"2024-05-07T22:47:41","slug":"uk-sending-missiles-to-be-fired-into-russia-moscow-calls-a-snap-rehearsal-for-firing-tactical-nukes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/2024\/05\/07\/uk-sending-missiles-to-be-fired-into-russia-moscow-calls-a-snap-rehearsal-for-firing-tactical-nukes\/","title":{"rendered":"UK Sending Missiles to Be Fired Into Russia, Moscow Calls a Snap Rehearsal for Firing Tactical Nukes"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>This could escalate things, but don&#8217;t get too worried yet as they <a href=\"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/2022\/10\/09\/young-global-leader-of-the-wef-vladamir-putin\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">work these things out in back channels<\/a>. But there is always the chance of a double cross and not just posturing for population support. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/antiempire.substack.com\/p\/uk-sending-missiles-to-be-fired-into\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/antiempire.substack.com\/p\/uk-sending-missiles-to-be-fired-into<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ub-divider ub_divider ub-divider-orientation-horizontal\" id=\"ub_divider_58b5a60a-d3b5-4411-a2bf-00ec6f887645\"><div class=\"ub_divider_wrapper\" style=\"position: relative; margin-bottom: 2px; width: 100%; height: 2px; \" data-divider-alignment=\"center\"><div class=\"ub_divider_line\" style=\"border-top: 2px solid #ccc; margin-top: 2px; \"><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">If Storm Shadows start falling and Russia does not fire back she is no longer a Great Power<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/substack.com\/profile\/75334913-marko-marjanovic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By Marko Marjanovi\u0107<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2bddb874-175f-4986-839b-b1ba60cb4e53_910x568.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2bddb874-175f-4986-839b-b1ba60cb4e53_910x568.jpeg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The feeble French bluff barely warrants a response, the incendiary British bombshell is a completely different story<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Recently Macron has stated that France might want to send troops to Ukraine, and David Cameron (ex-British PM, now Foreign Affairs chief) has said Kiev has been<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=47br-lH-quY&amp;t=22s\"> given authorization<\/a> to fire British-supplied cruise missiles into Russia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I should say that the two statements are in no way alike. <a href=\"https:\/\/euromaidanpress.com\/2024\/05\/02\/macrons-conditions-to-deploy-troops-in-ukraine-russias-breakthrough-and-ukraines-request\/\">Macron\u2019s statement<\/a> is vague, comes with massive qualifiers, and refers to something that may or may not happen, and then only in the distant future:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201c<strong>If<\/strong> the Russians were to break through the front lines, <strong>if<\/strong> there were a Ukrainian request, which is not the case today,<strong> we would<\/strong> legitimately<strong> have to ask ourselves this question.<\/strong>\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What Macron says is:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>He doesn\u2019t have troops in Ukraine.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There is no Ukrainian request for French troops in the Ukraine.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>IF<\/strong> the Russians were to \u201cbreak through\u201d, and <strong>IF<\/strong> Ukraine were to make a request, France would then stop and think about whether to send troops<strong> or not<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>So Macron puts two separate conditions on a French deployment, and even then it\u2019s not an automatic deployment, but just a point at which France would deliberate on the question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(He is being awfully dishonest here, were Russians to ever achieve a \u201cbreakthrough\u201d that wouldn\u2019t be a point where France started deliberating on sending troops. That would be the point where a significant French deployment became even more improbable.<strong> The last time France expected a Russian breakthrough she didn\u2019t send troops, she evacuated her Embassy.<\/strong>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Macron also has nothing to say on where these troops would be sent and in what role. There is a world of difference between sending trainers to Zakarpatia or de-miners to Kiev, and sending combat infantry to Donetsk. (Safe to say he doesn\u2019t have the stomach for the latter.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cameron\u2019s statement, on the other hand, is a real bomb. It refers to something that has <em>already happened. <\/em>He informs us that Ukraine has <strong>now received the green light <\/strong>to fire the batch of British missiles that are already on the way, into Russia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s difficult to convey the level of provocation this represents. Even <strong>at the height of the Cold War proxy wars <\/strong>\u2014 when the Soviets were shipping massive quantities of weapons to Vietnam, and the Americans to Afghanistan \u2014 <strong>neither would dream of sending missiles for their proxies to fire into the Soviet\/US mainland. <\/strong>(For obvious reasons.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Moscow is bombing Ukraine on a daily basis, and can not protest when Kiev does the same to Russia in turn. However, Russia is doing nothing to Britain, and Russia can rightfully feel outraged when Britain <strong>allocates military spending to construct and finance missiles to be fired into Russia.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>British personnel could even help fire into Russia<\/strong>, since<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/uk-news\/2024\/mar\/04\/british-soldiers-on-ground-ukraine-german-military-leak\"> Germany<\/a> and<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/uk\/britain-has-no-plans-large-scale-deployment-ukraine-pms-spokesman-2024-02-27\/\"> PM Sunak<\/a> have confirmed there is a small British deployment to Ukraine connected to the Storm Shadow missiles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Russian response has been to summon the French and British ambassadors, to order a snap rehearsal for launching tactical nuclear weapons, and to declare that UK military installations \u201cin Ukraine and elsewhere\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/news.antiwar.com\/2024\/05\/06\/moscow-warns-it-will-strike-uk-military-targets-if-british-weapons-are-used-in-attacks-on-russia\/\">could be hit<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Russia conducts drills with nuclear-armed Iskanders almost every year. In of itself the exercise is nothing special, what is remarkable is that Russian state media has gone out of its way <strong>to make clear the drill is a snap exercise <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/leonidragozin\/status\/1787396805115682940\">ordered personally by Putin<\/a><\/strong> in response to French and British statements. The Russian<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/baklitskiy\/status\/1787381097187181036\"> Ministry of Defense<\/a> has echoed this, as has the <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/baklitskiy\/status\/1787497719709257916\">Ministry of Foreign Affairs<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I am not sure how convincing the tactical nuclear threat is. An Iskander has only the range to hit Ukraine, where there are few British targets. And <strong>if the few British personnel in Ukraine are pinpointed it hardly takes a nuke to get them.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Meanwhile, if the signal is supposed to be that if British missiles start slamming into Russia, that Moscow may start using atomic weapons on Ukraine this generates no deterrence at all. <strong>If a nuclear weapon is detonated on Slavic Ukraine that is no skin off of London\u2019s back. <\/strong>To the contrary that assures the UK it has a whipping boy in Ukraine to suffer the consequences in its stead.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>The symmetrical tit-for-tat vs London<\/strong> isn\u2019t to make nuclear threats on Ukraine, but to signal that if Storm Shadows indeed start falling on Russia proper, Moscow will <strong>find <\/strong>itself looking for <strong>people who want to fire missiles into Britain, and providing them with such free of charge.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Russian statement that <strong>British military installations anywhere in the world<a href=\"https:\/\/news.antiwar.com\/2024\/05\/06\/moscow-warns-it-will-strike-uk-military-targets-if-british-weapons-are-used-in-attacks-on-russia\/\"> may be targeted<\/a> is also appropriate<\/strong>, just because of the difficulties involved in hitting the British Isles via proxy. Finding proxies for a hit on British installations in the Middle East may be more feasible, even if that would fall short of matching British proxy attacks onto Russian soil. (But the challenge here is how to hit the British without involving the host country.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On the eve of the 2022 Russian invasion Dmitri Trenin had <a href=\"https:\/\/anti-empire.com\/dmitry-trenin-great-powers-dont-bluff\/\">a fine article<\/a> in which he wrote that \u201cGreat Powers do not bluff\u201d. Trenin was in disbelief that Russia would indeed invade, but at the same time he reasoned that having built up the invasion force, Russia must now invade or she is no longer a great power, for she did not receive appeasement from DC or Kiev, and <strong>\u201cgreat powers do not bluff.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If British Shadow Storms indeed start falling on air bases and refineries in Russia, will Russia make good on her signal of a tit-for-tat? I make no predictions as to that. But I will say this. <strong>If Russia does not fire back she is no longer a great power, but has descended to \u201csome other level in terms of its global status\u201d<\/strong> as Trenin would put it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2022 I did not believe Putin was willing to forsake great power status just yet. Britain (of all places) is betting that two years later that time has now come.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If she should be proven right missiles from other nations will follow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Cameron statement on UK arms for Ukraine &#039;dangerous&#039;, Kremlin says \u2022 FRANCE 24 English\" width=\"1290\" height=\"726\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/47br-lH-quY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa64f3df0-fea8-4c94-b770-a3870c799f0a_1438x1304.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/substackcdn.com\/image\/fetch\/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep\/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa64f3df0-fea8-4c94-b770-a3870c799f0a_1438x1304.jpeg\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">Iskander range<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This could escalate things, but don&#8217;t get too worried yet as they work these things out in back channels. But there is always the chance of a double cross and not just posturing for population support. https:\/\/antiempire.substack.com\/p\/uk-sending-missiles-to-be-fired-into If Storm Shadows start falling and Russia does not fire back she is no longer a Great Power [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7220","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-world"],"blocksy_meta":[],"featured_image_src":null,"author_info":{"display_name":"Jason","author_link":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/author\/jturning\/"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7220","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7220"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7220\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7232,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7220\/revisions\/7232"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7220"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7220"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7220"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}