{"id":13021,"date":"2025-08-10T09:13:04","date_gmt":"2025-08-10T16:13:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/?p=13021"},"modified":"2025-08-10T09:13:04","modified_gmt":"2025-08-10T16:13:04","slug":"california-is-pushing-the-limits-of-crowdsourced-energy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/2025\/08\/10\/california-is-pushing-the-limits-of-crowdsourced-energy\/","title":{"rendered":"California Is Pushing the Limits of Crowdsourced Energy"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>As a homeowner doing solar, you&#8217;re paying for the system with no control over what the utility pays you for the power you contribute back to them. And with solar being oversold in California, they dropped the rates they pay homeowners while reports were that they were shutting down some people&#8217;s ability to contribute to the grid as they had too much power. There is also a problem with maintenance as many solar companies go out of business, and this adds complexity and expense to new roofs and selling your home costing you money, not to mention the loans can lead to foreclosure if you don&#8217;t pay. And batteries have limited charge and discharge cycles, so your expensive battery is being used up by the power company with probably meager payment to you, and you can bet they&#8217;ll legislate away your control of your system. So read that as the power company is using you to buy equipment for them to exploit. Consequently, the only way I&#8217;d do solar would be an off-grid setup, with maybe the ability to access power to top off batteries overnight if needed, provided no legislation forces me to contribute or relinquish control of my system, though I&#8217;d probably be more inclined to add a generator instead. And I wouldn&#8217;t be using Tesla batteries as Elon is more hype than substance, not to mention the fire potential and quality control issues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.yahoo.com\/news\/articles\/california-finding-way-around-trump-120549680.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.yahoo.com\/news\/articles\/california-finding-way-around-trump-120549680.html<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-ub-divider ub_divider ub-divider-orientation-horizontal\" id=\"ub_divider_fc11bbf7-b160-461f-9236-fe4af8beb8e3\"><div class=\"ub_divider_wrapper\" style=\"position: relative; margin-bottom: 2px; width: 100%; height: 2px; \" data-divider-alignment=\"center\"><div class=\"ub_divider_line\" style=\"border-top: 2px solid #ccc; margin-top: 2px; \"><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<p>By Tim McDonnell<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/s.yimg.com\/ny\/api\/res\/1.2\/4ggHt0jFGmyskEzdZ5SbNg--\/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyNDI7aD04Mjg7Y2Y9d2VicA--\/https:\/\/media.zenfs.com\/en\/semafor_310\/1923c35ef1c0bca2d1ee0a8e2b677197\" alt=\"\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The News<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>California\u2019s biggest electric utilities pulled off a record-breaking test of cutting-edge grid technology that should make powering the data center boom and avoiding heatwave blackouts cheaper, easier, and greener. The groundbreaking test, carried out with Tesla and the top US rooftop solar installer, will help keep the state\u2019s clean energy momentum going despite the Trump administration\u2019s crackdown on renewables.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On a hot Tuesday last week, during the 7pm-9pm window that is typically its time of peak demand as people come home from work and turn on appliances, Pacific Gas &amp; Electric and other top California power companies switched on residential batteries in more than 100,000 homes and drew power from them into the broader statewide grid. The purpose of the test \u2014 the largest ever in the state, which has by far the most home battery capacity in the US \u2014 was to see just how much power is really there for the utility to tap, and to ensure it could be switched on, effectively running the grid in reverse, without causing a crash. The result, which the research firm Brattle published this week, was 535 megawatts, equal to adding a big hydro dam or a half-sized nuclear reactor at a fraction of the cost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cFour years ago this capacity didn\u2019t even exist,\u201d Kendrick Li, PG&amp;E\u2019s director of clean energy programs, told Semafor. \u201cNow it\u2019s a really attractive option for us. It would be silly not to harness what our customers have installed.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Tim\u2019s view<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So-called \u201cvirtual power plants\u201d \u2014 networks of customer-owned assets that utilities can control as an alternative to building new traditional power plants \u2014 are the solution to a lot of the biggest problems facing the US power system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Every home battery, smart thermostat, or plugged-in electric car offers a chance for utilities to either draw more electrons into the grid, or shave down peak demand. VPPs are becoming especially important as data centers, heat waves, and other factors drive demand up while costs, supply chains, and bureaucracy remain major impediments to quickly building new power infrastructure. And, as the federal government wipes out tax credits and other support for renewables, VPPs offer a way for residential solar-plus-storage systems to remain economically attractive for homeowners \u2014 who get paid for the withdrawn power \u2014 and technically viable for utilities. At the same time, to the extent that federal policy changes make the construction of additional renewable projects more difficult, VPPs are a way to make better use of clean energy resources that have already been built.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Last week\u2019s test proved that in times of peak demand, PG&amp;E can lean on its customers\u2019 batteries rather than turn on a gas-fired peaker plant or risk a blackout, Li said. VPPs also facilitate the addition of more solar energy on the grid: At the moment, California has so much solar generation at peak hours that it can push the wholesale power price close to or even below zero, a headache for grid managers and a disincentive for renewable project developers. The careful manipulation of networked residential batteries smooths out the timing disparity between peak sunshine at midday and peak demand in the evening, allowing the excess to be soaked up and redeployed when it\u2019s actually needed, and making power cheaper for everyone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The expanded use of VPPs shouldn\u2019t be noticeable to battery owners, Li said, except for the money back on their power bill; nothing about the process prevents them from running their AC or dishwasher while their battery is being tapped. The network can also run in reverse, with the utility taking excess power from the grid at times of low demand and sending it into home batteries for storage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>California could easily reach over a gigawatt of VPP capacity within five years, Li said. Nationwide, a Department of Energy study during the Biden administration forecast that VPP capacity could reach up to 160 gigawatts by 2030, essentially negating the need for dozens of new fossil fuel power plants, with no emissions and at a far lower cost. In 2024, utilities in 34 states moved to initiate or expand VPP networks, according to the advocacy group VP3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The biggest problem VPPs face is the complicated paperwork that customers sometimes need to complete for their utilities or battery providers in order to participate, said Ben Brown, CEO of the VPP management firm Renew Home: \u201cThere are more barriers in enrollment than there needs to be in a lot of markets.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Room for Disagreement<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Joining a VPP program means homeowners give up a degree of control over their battery, and runs a small risk of draining the battery just ahead of a blackout when it\u2019s most needed. And VPPs can\u2019t solve the growing US power deficit on their own. Even in the most optimistic scenario for VPP adoption the US will still need <a href=\"https:\/\/cleanpower.org\/news\/us-national-power-demand-study\/#:~:text=The%20data%20finds%20that%20an,strengthen%20security%20and%20system%20reliability:\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">hundreds of gigawatts of new power generation capacity<\/a> in the next two decades. Renewables are still the cheapest and fastest form of new capacity to build, and the Trump administration is making it harder to build them; an analysis this week by the advocacy group American Clean Power Association found that even the administration\u2019s actions that ostensibly only limit renewable energy project development on federal land <a href=\"https:\/\/subscriber.politicopro.com\/article\/eenews\/2025\/08\/06\/interior-order-would-disrupt-wind-solar-projects-on-private-land-industry-finds-ee-00494489?utm_source=cbnewsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_term=2025-08-07&amp;utm_campaign=Daily+Briefing+Trump+vs+Idaho+wind+France+s+catastrophe+COP30+legitimacy+questioned\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">will snarl projects on all types of property across the country<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As a homeowner doing solar, you&#8217;re paying for the system with no control over what the utility pays you for the power you contribute back to them. And with solar being oversold in California, they dropped the rates they pay homeowners while reports were that they were shutting down some people&#8217;s ability to contribute to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13021","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tech","category-world"],"blocksy_meta":[],"featured_image_src":null,"author_info":{"display_name":"Jason","author_link":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/author\/jturning\/"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13021","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13021"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13021\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13022,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13021\/revisions\/13022"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13021"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13021"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jasonsblog.ddns.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13021"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}